Northpointe Bancshares Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Northpointe Bancshares (NYSE:NPB) reported third-quarter financial results on Wednesday. The transcript from the company’s third-quarter earnings call has been provided below.

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Summary

Northpointe Bancshares Inc. reported Q3 2026 earnings of $13.9 million, or $0.39 per diluted share, impacted by a $4.3 million decrease in fair value of assets due to interest rate movements and a $3.1 million loss from a deposit fraud incident.

The company is selling its distributed retail and consumer-direct mortgage origination channels to CMG Financial, refocusing on MPP (Mortgage Purchase Program), specialty finance and relationship-based banking to drive long-term growth.

Northpointe plans to expand MPP balances, which increased by $262.7 million this quarter, and maintain growth in specialty finance, while increasing deposits by $210.4 million in Q3.

Future guidance includes anticipated 2026 net interest margin of 2.3% to 2.4% and improvement to 2.4% to 2.6% in 2027, with expected loan growth in MPP and AIO categories.

Management expects significant expense savings from the sale, projecting 2027 non-interest expenses to be between $80 to $95 million, down from 2026 levels, and plans to continue engaging in tax credit purchases to manage effective tax rates.

Full Transcript

OPERATOR

Greetings and welcome to the Northpointe Bancshares Inc. Q3 2026 earnings conference call. At this time we will be in listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. You may be placed into the question queue at any time by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. It’s now my pleasure to turn the call over to Brad Howes, CFO.

Please go ahead, sir.

Bradley Howes (Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)

Good morning and welcome to Northpointe’s third quarter 2026 earnings call. My name is Brad Howes and I am the Chief Financial Officer. With me today are Chuck Williams, our Chairman and CEO, and Kevin Comps, our President. Additional earnings materials, including the presentation slides that we will refer to on today’s call, are available on Northpointe’s investor relations website, ir.northpointe.com. As a reminder, during today’s call we may make forward-looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties and are intended to be covered by the safe harbor provisions of federal securities law. For a list of factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations, please refer to the disclosures contained within our SEC filings. We will also reference non-GAAP financial measures and encourage you to review the non-GAAP reconciliations provided in both our earnings release and presentation slides.

The agenda for today’s call will include prepared remarks followed by a question-and-answer session. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Chuck.

Chuck Williams (President and CEO)

Thank you, Brad. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining. This quarter was an important one for Northpointe and marks a significant step in the continued evolution of our business model. Last night we announced that we are entering into a non-binding letter of intent with CMG Financial and its affiliates to sell the distributed retail and consumer-direct mortgage origination channels. This decision was not a reflection of the management or supporting teams in the Residential Lending Division, which has helped contribute to Northpointe’s success over the years.

But with today’s economic and operating headwinds, and with the continued evolution of mortgage distribution channels, we have reached an inflection point that no longer made the business channel viable. Because of this, management and the Board have made the difficult strategic decision to sell the channels. This allows us to refocus our strategic priorities towards businesses where we believe Northpointe has the strongest competitive advantage and the greatest opportunity to create sustained long-term growth and sustainable franchise value for all stakeholders.

We have built a unique national platform that combines specialty finance and relationship-based banking across a broad mortgage ecosystem. As we evaluated the opportunities available across the franchise, it became increasingly clear that our greatest opportunities lie in expanding our MPP and specialty finance capabilities, deepening client relationships, growing relationship-based deposits, and generating attractive portfolio assets in a more efficient manner.

Importantly, we remain committed to the mortgage banking industry and we will continue to be a growth-oriented and customer-centric banking franchise serving clients and communities across our national footprint. While the mortgage industry remains very challenging, we continue to take market share and demonstrate strong growth in our mortgage purchase program, or MPP, business. We’ve increased total MPP balances by 2.5 billion from the end of 2024, and we believe our program remains an attractive alternative to traditional warehouse lending.

Brad will cover the financial projections on this transaction and the current period results. More detail: for the third quarter, we earned 13.9 million, or $0.39 per diluted share. We have three significant fair value assets which in aggregate move up or down based on a movement in long-term interest rates. Our results this quarter included a combined decrease in fair value of 4.3 million for those three assets based on the significant rate movements during the quarter.

In addition, we had a 3.1 million operational loss related to an isolated external deposit fraud incident within our retail banking center, which we promptly addressed through strengthening procedures and additional controls. As we look ahead, our vision is clear. Northpointe’s future is centered on MPP, specialty finance through strategic asset generation, relationship-driven banking and deposit growth, and specialty servicing. As we focus resources on the businesses where we are most differentiated, we believe we can expand client relationships and generate a more robust and stable earnings profile. I’d like to turn the call over to Kevin to provide more details on our business lines.

Kevin Comps (President)

Thanks, Chuck, and good morning, everyone. Let’s start with the MPP business on slide 7. Compared to the prior quarter period end, MPP balances increased by 262.7 million and average balances increased by 237.2 million, resulting in a 3.7 million quarterly increase in interest income within the channel. Let me break down the third quarter 2026 growth a bit further. First, we brought in four new clients which totaled 185 million in additional capacity.

Second, we increased facility size for three existing clients which totaled 100 million in additional capacity. And third, the overall utilization of our existing clients remained strong, averaging 58% in the third quarter. As discussed on prior calls, our MPP balances are net of any balances that we have participated off. At September 30, 2026, we have participated $368.3 million to our partner banks, which is down from 489.0 million at June 30, 2026.

As we continue to optimize the balance sheet within our existing capital framework, average MPP yields were 6.27% and fee-adjusted yields were 6.49% during the third quarter of 2026. The quarterly decrease in average yield continues to reflect competitive pricing within the industry, especially with larger mortgage originators. Also keep in mind that our yields in our MPP business reprice on a one-month lag, so the benefit from the increase in SOFR is not reflected in our third quarter results.

Turning now to retail banking on slide 8, I’d like to highlight the results of the businesses within that segment. With the increase in mortgage rates, total residential mortgage originations decreased by 26% from the prior quarter level, and we saw a similar decline in locks and application volume. Gain-on-sale margins are also tightening given the competition for volume across the industry. In the middle of slide 8 we highlight our digital deposit banking channel, where we feature a direct-to-customer platform and competitive product suite.

We ended the third quarter with 5.4 billion in total deposits, an increase of 210.4 million from the prior quarter. The breakout of these deposits is detailed in the appendix on slide 14. During the quarter we saw a nice increase in noninterest-bearing demand deposits along with higher interest-bearing demand deposits driven by normal seasonality and our custodial deposit balances. These were partially offset by lower time and savings and money market deposits, as we intentionally let some balances run down in favor of more attractive brokered and FHLB funding sources.

Over the last year and a half we’ve been successful in adding new funding partner relationships to help bolster core deposits and fund our planned growth. We have similar smaller relationships in the pipeline and will continue to look for more of these types of omnibus accounts. On the right side of slide 8 we highlight our specialty mortgage servicing channel, where we focus on servicing first-lien home equity lines tied seamlessly to demand deposit sweep accounts, including what we commonly refer to as AIO loans. Excluding the adjustment for the change in fair value of MSRs, we earned 2.6 million in loan servicing fees for Q3, up from the prior quarter. Including loans we outsource to a subservicer, we serviced 17,400 loans for others with a total UPB of 6.0 billion as of the third quarter 2026, both up from the prior quarter level.

With the planned sale of our residential lending mortgage origination channels, we will no longer be capitalizing new MSRs for our own balance sheet. We’ve had success adding new specialty servicing relationships and increased the portfolio over the past year, and that will remain our strategic focus. Turning lastly to asset quality on slide 9, net charge-offs decreased slightly to $429,000 in the third quarter of 2026. This represents an annualized net charge-off ratio to average loans of 2 basis points, remaining well below long-term historical averages. Nonperforming assets increased by 8.9 million from the prior quarter, of which over half was from two borrowers, which we do not expect to incur any material losses on. Early-stage delinquent loans improved, with loans past due 31 to 89 days down 5.7 million from the prior quarter level.

I’d like to now turn the call over to Brad to cover the financials.

Bradley Howes (Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)

All right, thanks Kevin. I’d like to make two important points today before I begin. First, as I go through today’s slide presentation, I will be incorporating full year 2026 and 2027 guidance into my commentary and second, my guidance for both 2026 and 2027 includes the projected financial impact of the proposed sale of the distributed retail and consumer direct mortgage origination channels. The arrangement is primarily for the sale and transition of those teams and does not involve the sale or transfer of loans, servicing rights or other material assets.

Let’s start with the income statement on slide 10. For the third quarter of 2026 we had net income to common stockholders of 13.9 million or $0.39 per diluted share. This compares to 21.3 million or $0.60 per diluted share for the second quarter of 2026. Our results in the third quarter included two notable items Chuck discussed which had total pre tax negative impact of 7.5 million. Net interest income increased by 1.2 million from the prior quarter, reflecting an increase in average interest earning assets of 157 million and a 1 basis point decrease in net interest margin.

The linked quarter decrease in margin was primarily driven by higher average deposit costs, partially offset by higher average yields on loans and an improvement in the funding mix. The 25 basis point increase in the federal funds rate occurred in mid September, so we only received a limited yield benefit in the third quarter. Our two growth portfolios, MPP and AIO, both reprice on the short end of the yield curve. However, MPP facilities do so on a one month lag. As Kevin highlighted, brokered CD rates tend to reprice in advance of potential rate movements, which is what we saw this quarter. So we experienced higher funding costs with limited yield benefit from the Federal Reserve rate increase. Absent any additional rate changes, I’d expect to see a larger portion of the net interest margin benefit in the fourth quarter.

Our third quarter net interest margin was 2.32% and year to date 2026 was 2.36%. I expect full year 2026 net interest margin to remain in the range of 2.3 to 2.4%. No change from my prior guidance. For full year 2027 I expect net interest margin to improve to between 2.4 and 2.6%. My guidance assumes continued improvement in the mix of loans within the held for investment portfolio and no significant changes to the current mix of deposits. I also assume one additional 25 basis point Fed funds rate increase early in 2027.

Turning to the loan portfolio, average interest earning assets increased nicely over the prior quarter level. That was driven by continued success and growth in MPP facilities. Along with the purchase of 85.4 million in seasoned AIO loans which closed on September 30, 2026, we purchased these loans at a discount, resulting in net balances of 69.9 million on balance sheet loans were originated between 2005 and 2008, so they carry very low LTVs and extremely limited credit risk.

The average coupon yield is around 5%, but when you factor in the baseline expected monthly discount accretion, that yield increases to around 7.5%. With the sale of the mortgage origination channels, we now shift our focus on generating attractive portfolio assets through existing client relationships and select opportunistic purchases. The seasoned AIO pool is a great example of this. By shifting away from heavy fixed cost infrastructure, we believe we can generate loans with similar yields and credit risk at a lower overall cost.

For 2026 loan guidance, I’d expect MPP balances to remain in the range of 4.1 to $4.3 billion by year end, although at the higher end of the range as we have additional capital to leverage. With the loans available for sale portfolio winding down, I’d also expect period ending AIO and other consumer loan balances to remain in the range of $900 million to $1.0 billion by year end. I’d expect the remainder of the loan portfolio to continue to decrease in the range of 1.7 to $1.8 billion by year end.

This category includes loans held for sale balances which should be insignificant by end of year for 2027 loan growth guidance, I’d expect MPP balances in the range of 4.7 to 5.0 billion by year end. This estimate is net of any balances we participate out, which remains an important part of our overall balance sheet and capital optimization strategy. I’d expect period ending AIO and other consumer loan balances in the range of 1.3 to 1.5 billion by year end, and I’d expect the remainder of the loan portfolio to continue to decrease through normal amortization in the range of 1.5 to 1.7 billion by year end.

Kevin provided details on our asset quality trends this quarter which remained stable. We had total provision expense of 845,000 in the third quarter. This reflected net charge offs of 429,000 and an increase in the allowance for credit losses which was primarily attributable to higher forecasted loss rates resulting from an update to the credit models, partially offset by lower allowance from an improvement in qualitative factors. I’d expect total provision expense in the range of 1.21 to 2 million for 2026.

For 2027, I’d expect total provision expense in the range of 5 to 6 million, reflecting additional provisions related to stronger AIO and consumer loan growth. Additional provision expense or benefit related to credit migration trends, changes in the economic forecast or other changes to the credit models are not part of my guidance. Non interest income decreased by $9.6 million from the prior quarter and includes the impact from our three fair value assets on the top of Slide 15. We break out those three assets and their associated quarterly increases or decreases in fair value. As a reminder, these tend to move up or down with interest rates and are not part of my revenue guidance. Each quarter on the bottom of slide 15 and in our earnings release tables, we provide further details on the components of our net gain on sale of loans.

As you can see from the chart, third quarter net gain on the sale of loans included a $7.7 million decrease in fair value of the loans held for investment and a $1.6 million decrease in fair value on the lender risk account with the Federal Home Loan Bank. Excluding these items, net gain on the sale of loans would have been 11.5 million, which is down from 16.4 million on a comparable basis in the prior quarter. This decrease was driven primarily by lower salable mortgage origination volume during the quarter.

With the sale of the mortgage origination channels, there would be significantly lower gain on sale revenue in the fourth quarter of 2026 and virtually no revenue in 2027 I’d expect MPP fees in the range of 8 to 9 million for the full year 2026. This is down slightly from prior guidance as we plan to add more balance sheet in the fourth quarter resulting in lower participation balances and associated fees. For 2027, I’d expect MPP fees in the range of 8 to 10 million for the full year excluding MSR fair value changes.

Loan servicing fees were 2.6 million for the quarter up from the prior quarter. I’d expect loan servicing fees in the range of 9 to 11 million for 2026, decreasing to 8 to 10 million in 2027. Non interest expense was up 0.8 million from the prior quarter. Third quarter 2026 expense included 3.2 million related to the deposit fraud in our retail banking center. This was partially offset by lower salaries and benefits primarily from lower variable compensation on mortgage production along with lower bonus and incentive compensation. For full year 2026 I’d expect total non interest expense in the range of 140 to 146 million.

This includes the projected 6 to 7 million in restructuring charges related to the sale of the mortgage origination channels, predominantly comprised of severance and other employee related expenses, along with an impairment charge of approximately 800,000 on the remaining intangible asset associated with the previous mortgage team acquisition. I project these restructuring charges will be partially offset by lower variable mortgage commission and bonus and incentive compensation expense.

Turning to the expense guidance for 2027, we expect to complete the proposed transaction with CMG during the fourth quarter of 2026 and anticipate meaningful reductions to the expense base and improved operating leverage. Going forward. I’d expect annualized expense savings in the range of 50 to 55 million, with the bulk of which comprised of commissions, salaries and benefits. The remainder would be made up of occupancy, technology, professional fees, marketing and other expenses.

For full year 2027, I’d expect total non interest expense in the range of 80 to 95 million, a significant decrease from 2026 levels as we realized the majority of the expected expense savings from the sale of the mortgage origination channels. Turning to the balance sheet on slide 11, total assets increased to 7.7 billion at September 30, 2026 based on the growth in MPP and AIO balances during the quarter, our wholesale funding ratio was 63.94% at September 30, 2026, up slightly from the prior quarter. I expect we will continue to fund planned balance sheet growth through a combination of brokered CDs, retail deposits and other sources of non brokered deposits where possible. Our effective tax rate was 24.43% for the third quarter of 2026, down from the prior quarter level.

During the quarter, we purchased 7.6 million in investment tax credits, which helped reduce our overall effective rate by roughly 600,000 in the quarter. That was mostly offset by higher estimated state taxes. We plan to buy additional tax credits in the fourth quarter of 2026 and in 2027, which had helped lower the overall effective tax rate in both periods. Lastly, on slide 12, we outline our regulatory capital ratios, which are estimates. Pending completion of regulatory reports, the Board of Directors increased the regular quarterly cash dividend to 3 cents per share from 2 and a half cents per share in the prior quarter.

Looking forward, we have a significant opportunity to add new assets at a very attractive point in the yield curve. I’d expect we will continue to leverage any additional capital generated through retained earnings to grow our held for investment loan portfolio. With that, we’re happy to now take questions. Kevin, please open the line for Q and A.

OPERATOR

Certainly. We’ll now be conducting a question and answer session. If you’d like to be placed into question queue, please press star1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you’d like to move your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing Star one. One moment please, while we poll for questions.

Our first question tonight is coming from Crispin Love from Piper Sandler. Your line is now live.

Crispin Love (Analyst at Piper Sandler)

Thank you. Good morning everyone. First talk, I hear you on focusing on other areas where you have competitive advantages, but just on the consumer mortgage sale. Can you share why you believe right now is the right time to sell? The business could be at the trough or near the trough of the mortgage environment. And then also just what you gain from selling today.

Chuck Williams (President and CEO)

Yeah, I can answer that. This is Chuck. It’s hard to predict whether we’re in the trough or not. We’ve been, you know, at this business since the end of COVID which, you know, some could argue it’s been in a trough for four years and our team has been incredibly efficient over the last four years in making, you know, the business work in a very tough environment. And at the point in the third quarter of this year, again, as I said in my opening statement, we were just at an inflection point to where the volumes could no longer carry the infrastructure overhead.

And I’ve said on many calls that we’ve been tremendously efficient over the last four years in the unit remaining profitable. But we, you know, could no longer see a path forward for the profitability on the base overhead that it takes to run an efficient distributed retail operation.

Crispin Love (Analyst at Piper Sandler)

Is the bottom. Okay, yeah, that’s helpful. So do you think this is going to have a positive long term impact to the earnings power of the, of the full company from the sale?

Bradley Howes (Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)

Crispin, this is Brad. Yeah, when you, when you run the numbers that I just provided on my guidance, you know, we do believe there’s a positive financial benefit. You know, we have the, you know, we kind of talked through the revenue items that will go away as well as the expense savings and the expense savings, you know, will be greater than the revenue losses. So that will result in a net overall P and L benefit. And as Chuck mentioned, you know, refocusing capital and resources on other divisions that are, you know, really have the scale and leverage, you know, go a long way, I think longer term in generating additional shareholder value and capital and earnings. Okay, great.

Crispin Love (Analyst at Piper Sandler)

Appreciate that, Brad. And then just one quick one for me on the deposit fraud. Can we share how many customers were impacted here and there’s just confidence in getting that three plus million back?

Kevin Comps (President)

Yes, this is Kevin. We can’t say too much on this topic, Crispin. We do have law enforcement involved, including the FBI researching this and we also have a pending insurance claim. So we really can’t say more than what we put in our release and said during our prepared remarks.

Crispin Love (Analyst at Piper Sandler)

Okay, I get that. I appreciate you taking the questions.

Kevin Comps (President)

Thank you. Thanks, Crispin.

OPERATOR

Thank you. Next question is coming from Damon Del Monte from KBW. Your line is now live.

Damon Del Monte (Analyst at KBW)

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just, you know, hoping to kind of pull out a little bit more color on some of the strategic efforts to replace the lost income kind of over time. It sounds like, you know, you feel good about the MPP kind of line of sight going forward and that continuing to grow. Kind of curious on the AIO loans. I think those are generated from the retail division. And I know you did a purchase this quarter.

So does that book of business grow more from opportunistic purchases or is that something that you can still originate from the ongoing operations?

Bradley Howes (Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)

Yeah. Thanks, Damon, this is Brad. So what I’d say, you know, we step back, we have, you know, the lost volume of the AIO business, which did generate from our retail channel, to replace. We’ve also got, you know, capital associated with the loans held for sale portfolio. So our goal for 2026 and what is included in my prepared remarks and guidance is that we will replace both of those and, you know, potentially more. We’re still very bullish on the asset class.

I think, you know, the question really gets to the point of where are we going to source these? And, you know, I point back to my remarks. We have relationships with a lot of mortgage lenders through our existing pipeline in MPP and relationships we’ve built through the years of being in the mortgage business. We’ve got a big Rolodex of, you know, places where we could source assets. And I think it’ll turn to, you know, our focus will be on exactly what you mentioned, you know, sourcing deals through existing client relationships as well as opportunistic acquisitions of loans or portfolios like you saw with the AIO purchase that we did.

So it’ll be through a combination of both of them. And we believe, you know, over time this is a very cost-effective way to source very similar credit risk and yield profile and, again, low interest rate risk assets similar to the way we do it today.

Damon Del Monte (Analyst at KBW)

Got it. That’s helpful. Thank you. And then you kind of touched on capital associated with the held for sale portfolio. So can you maybe just give us a broader thought on capital management? I mean, is the excess capital going to continue to be allocated to supporting the MPP business or would you consider doing a buyback, given where valuation is on the stock below tangible book value? Kind of curious on your thoughts around that.

Bradley Howes (Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)

Yeah, I’ll take this. Damon, this is Brad. So, you know, we look at all potential uses of capital when we evaluate these kinds of decisions. We have growth, you know, dividends and repurchases. And what I’d point out is, you know, our projections and where we sit today, we leverage most of that capital for growth. We don’t have a ton of excess capital we’re sitting on, but we do run internal models and we look at what’s the best use of the overall capital.

And depending on where we trade, you know, with the stock as a percentage of tangible book, the model could suggest, you know, one or the other is the route to go. So we evaluate all those and what I’ll tell you is that we do not have a share repurchase plan today, but we are in the process of putting one together, and we look forward to sharing more information on that over the coming periods. Great.

Damon Del Monte (Analyst at KBW)

Okay, helpful. And then I guess last question, you noted that you guys did purchase some tax credits this quarter and it sounds like you might be doing more of that in the fourth quarter and in 27. Just wondering if we get a little guidance on what you think a reasonable effective tax rate would be as we look out in the coming quarters.

Bradley Howes (Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)

Yeah, so I’ll take that one, Damon. Again, Brad. We did purchase, you know, 7.6 million this quarter, which, you know, I commented in my remarks helped lower the overall effective rate. You know, the value of that was about 600,000. That got offset by some increases in state taxes as we finished returns for last year. Going forward, I’d say, you know, I would expect in the fourth quarter we’ll look at a similar level, if not more, of tax credits.

And I, you know, I don’t believe there should be any material offsets to that. So don’t have an exact guidance for you. But if you look at the number we did in the third quarter and you take that and apply a little bit of an additional purchase on there, you know, that should get you to kind of a 22, 23% effective tax rate. I think that’s what we can provide today. And as we look out into next year, you know, we’ll evaluate, you know, the potential earnings that we have in 2027 along with, you know, any possible carrybacks that we want to do.

And I’ll provide more guidance on that I think in the coming quarters. But we’ll continue to do this and we find it, you know, it’s a very efficient use of liquidity. There’s no capital use and something we’ll continue to look at. Great.

Damon Del Monte (Analyst at KBW)

Appreciate you taking and answering my questions. Thank you.

OPERATOR

Thanks, Damon. Thank you. As a reminder that star one to be placed into question queue, our next question is coming from Christopher Marinak from Breen Capital. Your line is now live.

Christopher Marinak (Analyst at Breen Capital)

Hey, thanks. Good morning. Just want to continue the capital question one more round. What does capital look like at the end of fourth quarter with the transaction completed? And I presume that you’ll still incrementally grow just because of retained earnings as well, correct?

Bradley Howes (Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)

Yeah, we’ll continue to grow through retained earnings. Really the only capital impact from the transaction that we discussed would be the wind down of the loans held for sale portfolio which is sitting, you know, somewhere in the couple hundred million dollar range. That’ll wind down ratably over the quarter as we stop taking locks, you know, midway through. I expect it to be insignificant at year end. So we would generate, you know, that additional capital that we plan to leverage through, you know, it could be any part of our balance sheet.

But we do plan to, you know, redeploy that capital into MPP or other existing assets that we can grow by year-end.

Christopher Marinak (Analyst at Breen Capital)

We use the capital ratios that are in the slides as a guidepost. Can you run the business at a lower capital ratio because the risk is changing and because you’re changing the structure of the company? Is that something that you’re considering or kind of how should we think about that?

Bradley Howes (Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)

So I’d say we reevaluate our capital plan every year. That will be something we look at. Whether it translates to additional—it’s not a very risky—the loans held for sale portfolio is a very small piece of the overall balance sheet. So I don’t expect any material changes to what capital levels we can operate at. I’d expect us to continue to operate at similar levels to where you see us at today. There’s not a ton of additional room. We leverage most of the capital that we have allocated to growth, and that’s what I’d expect in 2026 and in 2027 next year.

Christopher Marinak (Analyst at Breen Capital)

Okay, great. That’s helpful. Thank you for that. And then just back to the fraud issue. When you take this one issue out, how often do you have small operational losses that are small frauds that you just deal with under normal course of business and kind of is that number changing as we go forward?

Kevin Comps (President)

Yeah. So the industry always has some small level of operational losses. It’s been insignificant historically, and I would expect it to be insignificant going forward. It’s a simple answer.

Christopher Marinak (Analyst at Breen Capital)

Okay, very well. And would you imagine that we’ll get clarification on your insurance carriers in a couple quarters, or would it take longer than that, do you think?

Kevin Comps (President)

I can’t anticipate the timeline there, but I would think it’s reasonable to say we’d have that within a couple quarters.

Christopher Marinak (Analyst at Breen Capital)

Great. And then back to selling the production arms. If we look out a couple of years and interest rates are different and perhaps the refinance opportunities come back, do you revisit this decision at a future date? Just, Chuck, curious, from a strategic standpoint, you know, would you circle back once again?

Chuck Williams (President and CEO)

Yeah, one can never say never. But the plan would be. I mean, this has been a very, very difficult decision and a lot of thought has gone into this. But it. We’re looking at turning our capital efforts and everything into a growing model, and that is in the MPP specialty servicing areas where we traditionally have growth areas for us. So I would say that we wouldn’t anticipate being in distributed retail in the future.

Christopher Marinak (Analyst at Breen Capital)

Great. Chuck, thank you for that. I appreciate it. And thanks for hosting us this morning.

Chuck Williams (President and CEO)

Thanks, Chris.

OPERATOR

Thank you. Thank you. We’ve reached the end of our question and answer session. And ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today’s teleconferencing webcast. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.

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